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Good music! Sound almost like Blade Runner them.

Don't think you can legally ride in U.K or 250 watts motor.

What was the outcome for this bikes battery? What did you settle on?

Great videos dude ive order mine for my scott big john :)

Did you pedal as well? If not, bad test.

Drive chain on the left for diy is actually really good idea. If something goes bad on either side of the bike, the other side is still functional and will bring you back home. I am assuming the rear tire is still easy to remove for flats.

batterietest wasn't very well made, because the battery was still recovering from the uphill ride and u even had used power at the moment it dropped to 81,3... but still very nice concept, will follow this.

Tough crowd. Carry on, Sir.

I bought a Shengmilo M80 from new years ago that came with a second battery. I used a plain converter socket to allow them to connect in parallel instead of having to disconnect one before connecting the other. They are permanently connected together & charged as one battery. The result is a far more stable Voltage & power when ridden & lower amps coming from each so likely a longer lifespan. If I was to change the hub motor for something bigger then that would be a very different story, as stresses would increase. As it is, stresses have only decreased & I have every confidence that the bike & batteries will give me many more miles of reliable service. Problems are more likely the result of overstressing components.

Make it water cooled with a computer radiator

Everyone likes new toys. Whatever makes the ride more enjoyable is a win.

Nice idea….but for that reason we have the smartphone, much smaller, and smarter 👍🏻 ( indeed no double camera to record, but…that’s a bit too much for me ) All the best 🤗 Waiting to see some full suspension conversions here 🫶

*Why* would you do this? Even more cable-madness and you got a device that can do everything just in your pocket...

Holiday to the UK?! I think you just missed our warm day 😊 for 2024, back to wind and rain now. Great video as always, looks like a good bit of kit.

Can this work with bafang like see volts and watts with speed?

Awesome setup.

Well thought through build! I'm looking forward to see how full suspension one is going to look like. Two things that would be my concerns are pedal spacing and lack of torque sensor.

The savings when buying as a kit are tempting. I have enough projects as is.

Building something like this is no easy task this bike is very inspriational to what i wanna do one day

Looks nice, definitely something worth considering as an upgrade for the M620. Though i really dont care to pedal unless its at walking pace, im a heavy offroading type of guy, as well as commute

Well done lad's, that looks like a really nice ride and well put together. If I had the funds I'd buy one in a heart beat.

Definitely on my list, just get that dual suspension. What a awesome bike!

Can you build another one and send it to the uk please 🙏🏼

Where is the Specialised Big Hit build?

How much does it weigh?

BADASS friend, I know you are busy I thank you but can U tell me how to get the motor for the 3 wheeler the rear it looks like the old Schwinns no one side thank you again for your help

I can't wait for the full suspension version!

Timestamps 0:00 - Introduction 00:26 - Performance 01:15 - Noise 02:06 - Wheels 03:43 - Brakes 05:57 - Frame 07:05 - Motor 07:38 - Controller 08:04 - Pedal Assist 08:40 - Sprockets 09:01 - Dual Drive Benefits 12:08 - Road Legal 13:06 - Pricing 13:37 - Thanks for Watching

What kickstand did you use? How did it fit in between the Bbshd?

With that chain ring and rear cog setup. Is that gear ratio any good for hill climbing torque?

Really grateful to find this channel as every other video seems like shameless marketing. I am pleading you for the update video that you said you’d deliver. Pretty please. I own a car and don’t have the time/skills to mod a bike and this seems like the best option for what I want from an e-bike. Seems clear the brakes are the biggest concern but I would love to know how the battery and motor have lasted. Thank you.

Can you fit a mid motor system to a marin san quentin 3 if so what's the best system

Sorry 2 bug I am new at this were can I buy 1 please 🙏🏽 thank U

Excellent comparison. I see a comment here indicating the DM02 is louder than the Photon. That would be another point to the Photon. A big chunk of the DIY crowd doesn't care about noise, but those of us that do care, really care. I would love for someone to make make a noise comparison. I have a Photon, but no access to either Toseven motor. But I would consider the Photon much louder than my BBSHD, and kind of at the peak of what is tolerable to me.

Thanks for this informative comparison ! What about the sound/noise difference between theses motors ?

Excellent video and narration as always! Always informative. Only question I have is, what is this discord you talk about and how do I access it?

Photon is too expensive! If you include shipping cost + VAT + duty then it costs ~1200 euro! That's insane for chinese motor! For example german Bosch/Brose motors cost less than 1000 euro. I do not consider a photon a DIY motor if you cant easily replace faulty parts at home. You should make an updated video with latest firmware installed in DM02.

What cable did they use with the throttle box? I'm trying to build regen brake lever. I'm going to use a stunt bike clutch lever and old stock sur ron throttle box. But I'm having trouble finding a cable that will work with this. It's a weird cable with the same ends.

What an excellent comparison review. Given your analysis I favour the DM02. The need to dealer service the Photon is indeed a dealbreaker for me plus the DM02 seems better value for the money. I do not stress my eBike motors batteries and controllers and if anything prefer a system that allows just 50 or so watts with bursts of 250 for steep hills as more than 50 watts for me and my riding conditions means I can’t get my heart rate up enough.

Size wise, is the DM01 larger, smaller or same size as the BBS02? Thanks, great video!

I have a noob question. Forgive me if this is not the right forum, but I'm having trouble finding reliable advice on these after-market motors. I've ridden bikes with mid-drive motors but no throttle, and bikes with hub motors that include a throttle option. So how does a throttle work with these mid-drive motors you are testing? Does the motor have an automatic clutch or something, and turns the chain independently of the crank? Or do the cranks turn when you've got the throttle open, and you have to spin your legs with your feet on the pedals but without using your own muscle power? Seems like the latter would be...a robot-fixie kind of experience.

Excellent video as usual. You really do have a good "radio voice" , calm, clear, easy to understand, and you have laid out the comparisons well. The back ground sound on parts of the video did make it a bit hard for me to hear your voice in some places. I'm on the fence between the two motors, and your fair and balanced comparison, hasn't made it any easier, but that is a good thing. It seems to me that if I was going to up date the firmware on the DM02, I'd have to spend $1000 to buy a windows computer, which negates any cost advantage. Anyway, thanks again, keep up the good work.

Good to know I can use a hammer on the Toseven crank tool, my DM01 came loose and dented my frame, been having trouble keeping it still. I'll torque it with some hammer taps next time

Do you think Lekkie cranks would help with the Q factor of the Dmo2?

Another balanced, thoughtful and informative vid, thanks the Team @HV. After 10 months of DM02 ownership and only doing 1600kms and having about 50% downtime... Some due to the early firmware and controller similar to you, some due to me - a constantly learning DYIer - some due to family commitments and some due to battery, I remain very happy with my DM02. I have a working TSDZ2 in a box in my shed. I pulled it out while having DM02 controller/firmware troubles and it probably won't come out again. The DM02 delivers more power for similar watts and battery use. I noticed you did not mention the return to Eco/City/Sport modes... To7 have 3 firmware releases, with an extra range of options called E-ASSIST, since the M1/M2 firmware and each is a substantial improvement of the previous. The E-Assist seems to dial the the torque sensing up or down (as you say, some communication/directions from To7 would be nice) and a few of us in the HV discord are comparing notes. I commute by e-bike down and up 500m daily and am really enjoying my DM02 with a decent quality Samsung 50s cell battery. From now, for the average DIYer with a reasonable quality 'shed bike' I consider the DM02 excellent value for money and probably more assistance than most people need. Of course, want is something else again.😅0:14 0:14

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How can I get a 72v controller for the dmo1 can't find anyone who tunes an 855 for it sadly

Thank you for the thorough comparison. A couple questions though: you say that the torque sensing is better with the photon, but how exactly? I've only had experience with cadence sensing so not sure what makes one torque sensor better than another. Also, the DM02 has the option to run in cadence sensing if you want, correct?

Thanks for this much awaited comparison. You promised it some while back and have now delivered in spades! Your comprehensive coverage of the pros and cons of each motor speaks volumes re the depth of your knowledge and experience of them in terms of, fitting, using, adjusting and upgrading software. To me it all comes down to budget and whether the extra $700 for the photon's superior sophistication is value for money. My feeling is that it is not! I also think that if Toseven got their act together and fixed the weaknesses of the DM02, which you have identified, then they could kick the photon into touch yet still undercut cyc by $450. I hope the "average Joe" appreciates what they are getting from the expertise behind and the hard work put into your videos. Good on you Cap!

Photon is dramatically quieter. I think though a better comparison would be The DM01. It would win on power. For me and my customers, the value is in The DM02. Rare is my customer that can, much less will, take advantage of the differences.